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 I  had originally planned to see Skull Island today, but matinee showtimes worked out to make Beauty & the Beast a better fit. (I definitely recommend the new version, but this is not that post.)

No, this is the post about the trip home again on the bus, and the trio of teenagers who occupied  the seats across from  mine. There were two girls, one with dark hair and washed-to-almost-white denim jeans, the other not quite blonde with a black skirt  and top plus white sweater.  Their companion was a young man with neatly waved wheaten hair and pale grey jeans. All in all, not quite clean-cut enough to be Mormons on mission, but considerably more tame of dress than one tends to see in the weekend bus-riding teen population out here in the burbs....

...except that one of them was carrying  a small rectangular shopping bag clearly labeled and striped as coming from...

...wait for  it...

Victoria's Secret.

And it wasn't either of the girls.

And what I realized only just now: there is no Victoria's Secret  in the shopping center where we all boarded that bus.

Clearly there's a story here, but I am not at all sure what it is.

Date: 2017-03-22 02:56 am (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Is there an upcoming post about the new Beauty and the Beast? Shall I save my Beauty and the Beast questions until then?

Also, have you read the new Cavallaro? I had to go read it twice to try to figure out the plot, and I'm still not dead certain I've got it.

Date: 2017-03-25 03:26 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Yes.

Is it possible you'll grasp this in a single pass? Of the four of us (you, me, Lang, Grrlpup), you'd be the first.

Date: 2017-03-25 08:22 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
1) That seemed self-evident to me, too. Certainly the half-overheard arguments between the adults struck me as likely being relevant to Leander's disappearance.

2) Is it? Are you expecting Mycroft-descendants to appear from somewhere?

3) Such as? I know where it ends, of course, but I'd love to hear your early speculation.

4) And the money or lack of money in various places suggests what to you?

5) Who is your large and conspicuous duck? It strikes me that there are multiple candidates for duckness, even in the first book.

Date: 2017-03-26 02:23 am (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Is it Milo you don't trust, or Milo's data, or something else? (Or a combination of the above?)

Date: 2017-03-26 02:57 am (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Huh. I thought Milo was pretty obviously supposed to be a throwback to Mycroft, and his web of data and influence; I hadn't considered likening him to Moriarty. (And this despite my belief that Moriarty and Mycroft are the matched pair of canon, not Moriarty and Sherlock. So that was a fairly major possibility to miss on my part.)

Date: 2017-03-26 02:29 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I should have been clearer: I hadn't considered Milo-as-Moriarty myself, but I understood what you meant once you said it. Milo as the true heir to the Professor in this series is a strong and interesting theory.

(I probably hadn't gone there myself because I have fewer lawful-good feelings about Mycroft than Doyle did. I agree with you that Blackwater has a lot of not-savory connotations, but I also strongly associate it with the US govt doing nefarious things overseas; 'nefarious things overseas' is also one of my associations with the British Empire, and thus Mycroft.)


:: In canon and most traditional pastiche, Mycroft and Sherlock are very good about respecting one another's boundaries... ::

Which raises the question of whether this is more strongly influenced by traditional pastiche or more revisionist adaptations. Language-Escapes thought Cavallaro was strongly influenced by BBC, herself.

Because I know you don't watch BBC: their Mycroft is exactly that level of personally-invasive creepy. BBC spent the entire first 90min episode trying to fake out viewers that this guy running around being concern-troll creepy was Moriarty, but HAHA SURPRISE HE'S MYCROFT. That made BBC's Mycroft the lead entry in the chain of Moriarty-like Mycrofts we've had since. (Perhaps it's clearer now why I associated Milo with Mycroft? I've seen quite a few recent portrayals of Mycroft that look quite a lot like Milo.)

All that said, I think we both agree that Milo is shady and worth our scrutiny.


:: "We've had a detente with the Moriartys for almost a century." ::

So, this bothered me about that line on both read-throughs: wasn't it Leander who gave Jamie the History of Holmeses and Moriartys In The 20th Century, which included things as recent as nuclear arms sales? I've given my copy back to the library, so I can't check, but did I misremember/misunderstand that earlier conversation?


And I'm going to hold comments on your last paragraph until you've finished August. (Which you must be close to doing, if you've gotten to Leander's emails!)

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